Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Ramblers delight

This is a transcript of a reply i've posted on Thothweb Enjoy...

(i believe it's posted on the second page of the thread)
Howdy,

I’ll skip the debate on the use of the term “Semitic” here and focus on, what I assume you to mean, the Exodus. In spite of Biblical writings, there is absolutely no archeological or historical record that the Hebrew people were ever led out of Egypt on a mass scale, nor that they ever caused any kind of disruption whatsoever to the Egyptian Empire.
There are speculative references to a people called the “Habiru” from a collection of ostrakon known as The Amarna Letters, which date roughly to sometime around 1386-1321 BCE. but those references have been largely dismissed as referring to indigenous renegades.
Also, there is little serious evidence that could link them to the Hyksos as these were a well armed people who introduced such things as the composite bow and the horse drawn chariot, neither of which the pastoral and nomadic people of the Bible ever seem to have perfected.
In fact, so far nothing that absolutely proves that such an event as described in the Book of Exodus ever occurred has been found anywhere, not in Egypt, not in the Sinai and not at all in the Jordan valley. Surely, such a large scale event as the ten plagues, or a huge mass of people trampling the land, camping and cooking and discarding garbage all over the place would have left some kind of archeological evidence along the way. Nor is it likely that an Egyptian Army of pursuit would have been mobilized and moved out and *not* have captured a slow moving mass of people, laden with, as you say, thousands of artifacts. Even if such a thing *had* occurred, there would have been some Egyptian documentation or record left of the whole event. And let me tell you, The Ancient Egyptians were real big on documenting things that went on in their Empire.
Of course, even if such an unlikely event were to have occurred it would not have caused the downfall of the Entire Egyptian Empire. Although a thing may be, as you say, ‘omitted from history’ it is not likely that such a widespread rampage as you suggest, could be hidden from archeology. The evidence simply cannot lie.
I’m not convinced that the capstone on the Great Pyramid was quartz because we have nothing in the descriptions of the Pyramid from antiquity that have described it as being anything other than gold. What’s more, the capstone was intact well past the time of the Exodus and there are no accounts of it ever having been replaced.
Another thing about crystals and such; I don’t think the ancient Egyptians put the same quasi-mystical significance on them as people do today. I suspect that if they did, we would be finding lots more trinkets carved out of them rather than, say, lapis lazuli, diorite or alabaster.


And to answer slavernicus about the word Amen- it comes from the Hebrew term :
aw-mane' and means: to be sure; faithfulness; truly:--Amen, so be it, truth; also, in the Aramaic and Coptic.
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Update- I don't know why I bother with some of those fools over on ThothWeb. Now, there is someone who is convinced that the term "Amen" is fundimentally linked to "Amun". That's like saying that "si" (the Spanish for "yes") is related to the word "See" or "Sea"....

Ignorance, My Freaky Darlings, is forgivable, but Stupidity never is. It's as if some of these fools wake up one morning with a wild and hair-brained thought and take it as the gospel truth. It would simply stay in the realm of a persons own kookiness until they start preaching it. As my Mother always says "It's best to keep your mouth shut and imply stupidity than to open it and *Confirm* it."

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